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Question and an idea [New Member Question/Suggestion]

Post by K'hanesh Lor'al »

So, I realize as I'm not even a Private yet, I'm talking out of turn, and will accept a public flogging for insubordination if necessary.

That being said, I was wondering what the 4th's plans are when/if community warfare ever gets implemented in MWO. As I've said before, I'm canon-dumb, so I'm not sure if the civil-war thing we do will somehow have a bearing on our decisions as a unit for community warfare.

I would be interested in hearing the 4th's plans for community warfare.

Now, the suggestion part:

Since everything I've heard about community warfare is that it will be a ways off yet, can we implement some kind of regiment/lance/battalion/whatevertheappropriatenameis devoted specifically to practicing together in prep for warfare? Kinda like an elite unit or something? A unit of the same guys so we get super-familiar with each other's buolds and playstyles.

If the response is "Khan, moron, that's what 8-mans are for" then my bad, lol. :)
Either way I love this group and want to start doing what is necessary for me to:

a) Rise in Rank
b) Train for such a unit, if it does/will exist soon

So, as I am so fond of saying during drops....

"Clear Comms.... Khan scouting, orders please...." :twisted:
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It's something I've been interested in exploring as a way to push myself. With challenge comes excitement and that helps keep my interest up in the game. We are certainly starting to structure ourselves a bit more now with specific lances. Once these are worked out then I think you'll find things starting to shape up more to your liking.

In the meantime make sure you hit the Sunday practice and I'll ask Fox if we can try to at least have a couple of 8 man drops as well as the 4 man lance work.
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Post by K'hanesh Lor'al »

Awesome! Thanks Zongoose!

Only problem is I typically work 10AM - 8PM CST on Sundays, which pretty much eliminates me from the bulk of Sunday practices. Onlyreason I got to drop with you guys this past Sunday is they gave me a break from 2-4, lol.

That being said, I am usually there for Friday Casual drops.

FYI - I wasn't trying to be arrogant in my idea... I'm not necessarily saying I will even be skilled enough to join such a unit, I was suggesting that, as you said, it would be a fun challange to push myself for, a goal to try to get better to. Maybe even get to Tom's ELO someday, lol.
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First, some things to consider about Community Warfare:
  • It will be very little more than what we have right now. It will be 8v8 or 12v12 or some other variation of group sizes. The difference will be that the results may sway the battle for a specific planet, or region on the map.
  • It will be done by joining a queue just as we have now.
  • It will likely be the same two modes, Assault and Conquest, that we have now for at least the first few months.
  • It wont likely be any more competitive than we have now unless they limit Community Warfare drops to only groups of 8 or groups of 12 (very unlikely).
  • It has been mentioned that Community Warfare drops may have planetary variables, such as weight limits, differences in colors of laser weapons, etc. Not much detail has been given here yet.
    • This is where we will find the most value in training specific lance types to be prepared for the weight limits.
Second, about the 4th Regulan Hussars, and structure:
Even at our current numbers we are not large enough for a full regimental structure. Accounting for activity times of various members we have roughly a Company worth of active members that could get together at the same time. And even then for only a few hours at most before the numbers drop. We are a heavily international community, and even our American members are spread across more timezones than our European members.

Our Sunday practices are already geared towards practicing more seriously and working the whole unit towards a more competitive level of play without driving our more casual members away. We can be good without having a stick up our asses. I feel we've found a very good balance here between slowly upping our competitive game while still not taking the game too seriously. That all said, there is indeed great value in having a Lance of members in the unit that are super familiar with each others builds and play styles. This is why we do currently have a couple of lances forming with that in mind. However, we are aware of the potential for driving a wedge between the membership and will never completely segregate members. To that end we'll never have a group that is purely dedicated to only competitive play. At that point, they might as well be their own unit which is completely separate from us anyway.

8-man drops are not the best training tool for Community Warfare. It definitely increases the difficulty level by playing in the 8-man queue. But the hyper-competitive groups tend to run nothing but the latest unbalanced flavor-of-the-month. This results in constantly having to change 'Mech builds as the patches continue to balance the game. It also results in some pilots becoming either too specialized, or actually weaker due to the crutch of using something that is overpowered but will be balanced down the road. However, learning to defeat these teams full of "cheese builds" does indeed teach us to be even better pilots. Even so, 8-mans will never become a sole focus for us.

About rising in rank. I'm sorry to say, but if your main driving goal is to rise in rank, this is the wrong unit for you.
  • The majority of our members will be Private and Private, First class. The highest "enlisted rank" one could reach would be Sergeant. All of these ranks are almost purely gained by how long you've been here, and how often you're around.
  • Anything above that, below officers, are people with aims towards Lance leadership. You both have to want this, and be approved by the officers. It takes showing effective leadership skills, good people skills, and at least average piloting skills. To be completely blunt, Officer decisions on who is approved are completely subjective and may be made without reason given.
  • Officers are purely subjectively chosen and ultimately approved by myself. Other officers may suggest new officers to me, but I must sign off on it. I look for many of the same things as for Lance leadership, as well as whether or not I can trust the person with the moderator and administrative powers that come with the rank, and whether or not I feel they just want to have power over others.
The primary use for rank in this unit is determining who gets first choice on leading a drop, with Officer ranks getting a bit of delegated administrative power so that I'm not having to do everything by myself.

Yes, we have a military-like structure here. But it is a loose one. Yes, we can get serious and we can kick some serious ass. But we are not a hyper-competitive group. We accept all comers as long as we all get along. When we're not in a Sunday practice, we are casual and probably will be chatty. The only exception to this is if a drop leader decides on more disciplined drops.

It is who we are and how we've been operating and while some of it will evolve over time, it will never result in a hyper-competitive, business-only group. We're here to play a game and get away from our real jobs and responsibilities. We don't need stress from our games too. ;)

I hope I haven't driven you away with this response. I'm pretty sure we all like you, and you do seem to fit in.
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Post by K'hanesh Lor'al »

Hey Boss!

THank for the rundown of CW. I think it's gonna be fun. I'm anxious to learn more about the canon, and what we will do as a unit once cw hits :)

No, of coure you didn't drive me away! I'm just a little giddy, hope I'm not pissing anyone off. I totally understand all of your points. Hell, my playtime is limited as hell right now anyway. And I should prolly learn to pilot Heavies and Assaults before wanting to drop with the big boys :)

I appreciate the clarification, I'll be here till someone tells me to leave :)

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Basically it boils down to relax. With the exception of the sunday practice, were on here to hang with people we like to hang with. Were gonna gab ALOT. Especially me, tom and stern. There's matches we'll gab thru the whole thing and yes, suck badly because of it. We dont care because we had more fun talking than shooting. If the convo is good, we're not going to stop just because we saw an enemy. If the 4th was military like I wouldnt be in it.
That being said, if Fox or mark says to shut up, I'm shutting the hell up. there are times when even out of sunday we aim for a more serious match. Just depends on the day, situation, ect. Take each match as it comes. You are a good pilot in the making and we all like you and think you will fit in great. All in all it comes down to my first sentence. Relax. :D
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